100% spam free -- is this a good thing?

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Colin Burgess

Re: 100% spam free -- is this a good thing?

Post by Colin Burgess » Tue Jun 03, 2003 8:23 pm

But assuming that someone can define telemarketer and figure out how to
enforce this law (which obviously remains to be seen) then why not just
extend it to a "Do Not E-mail List". The US Government can eliminate
the national debt if they got 10 grand from every spammer!
Because you just can't figure out who they are...

I got a bounced email from the postmaster at AOL claiming that the email
I had tried to send to soandso@aol.com (advertising You Know What) had bounced.
I was a little perturbed to think that the 10 billion other people who
the email made it to now think of cburgess@qnx.com as just another bastard
spammer. :v(

So would I have the US Anti-Spam Squad on my doorstep? :v)

--
cburgess@qnx.com

Rick Lake

Re: 100% spam free -- is this a good thing?

Post by Rick Lake » Tue Jun 03, 2003 9:29 pm

Bill Caroselli <qtps@earthlink.net> wrote:
I hate spam too. (Even the e-mail kind.) But since I do consulting
And I hate spam three. My email address has been around for about 10
years and has probably propagated all over the Internet, and has probably
been dragged through the slime and the mud. My stupid mistake: I used to
be naive long time ago and use my real address in public newsgroups.
Furthermore my address is in people's address-book and some of them are
stupid enough to send mail with a CC-list about a mile long, mine
included, and then some on that list might do something similar, and then,
etc, etc. *sigh*

Every day I keep adding more patterns to my .procmailrc to redirect trash
mail to /dev/null. (Haven't gotten around to installing "spam-assassin" or
something similar like the product that the subject of this thread refers
to :-) And the more you filter, the more resilient they get.

And canceling my address isn't an option, since all my contacts know me by
that address, and it's also on my business cards, and it's company
standard format, and our helpdesk (postmaster) would get tons of rejected
spam and, etc, etc.

Oh well... can I order a beer somewhere here?

regards,
rick

Bill Caroselli

Re: 100% spam free -- is this a good thing?

Post by Bill Caroselli » Tue Jun 03, 2003 9:55 pm

Doesn't the receiving e-mail system record the IP address that the
e-mail was received from? If it's a dial-up service provider then
they can/should be held responsible for knowing who is using their
system and when. (So be careful when giving that credit card info
to your ISP!)

Colin Burgess <cburgess@qnx.com> wrote:
But assuming that someone can define telemarketer and figure out how to
enforce this law (which obviously remains to be seen) then why not just
extend it to a "Do Not E-mail List". The US Government can eliminate
the national debt if they got 10 grand from every spammer!
CB > Because you just can't figure out who they are...

CB > I got a bounced email from the postmaster at AOL claiming that the email
CB > I had tried to send to soandso@aol.com (advertising You Know What) had bounced.
CB > I was a little perturbed to think that the 10 billion other people who
CB > the email made it to now think of cburgess@qnx.com as just another bastard
CB > spammer. :v(

CB > So would I have the US Anti-Spam Squad on my doorstep? :v)

CB > --
CB > cburgess@qnx.com

Guest

Re: 100% spam free -- is this a good thing?

Post by Guest » Wed Jun 04, 2003 3:26 am

Rick Lake <rwlake@spamfree.domain.invalid> wrote:
Every day I keep adding more patterns to my .procmailrc to redirect trash
mail to /dev/null. (Haven't gotten around to installing "spam-assassin" or
something similar like the product that the subject of this thread refers
to :-) And the more you filter, the more resilient they get.
since you talked about .procmailrc,
I've been using SpamBouncer (http://www.spambouncer.org/) and really
like it. It is a set of procmail recipes that fight spam. Better
than writing my own rules :)

Frank

Rick Lake

Re: 100% spam free -- is this a good thing?

Post by Rick Lake » Wed Jun 04, 2003 6:13 am

I'll check it out. Thanks!

regards,
rick

fliu@mail.vipstage.com wrote:
Rick Lake <rwlake@spamfree.domain.invalid> wrote:
Every day I keep adding more patterns to my .procmailrc to redirect trash
mail to /dev/null. (Haven't gotten around to installing "spam-assassin" or
something similar like the product that the subject of this thread refers
to :-) And the more you filter, the more resilient they get.

since you talked about .procmailrc,
I've been using SpamBouncer (http://www.spambouncer.org/) and really
like it. It is a set of procmail recipes that fight spam. Better
than writing my own rules :)

Frank

Guest

Re: 100% spam free -- is this a good thing?

Post by Guest » Wed Jun 04, 2003 4:25 pm

fliu@mail.vipstage.com wrote:
Rick Lake <rwlake@spamfree.domain.invalid> wrote:
Every day I keep adding more patterns to my .procmailrc to redirect trash
mail to /dev/null. (Haven't gotten around to installing "spam-assassin" or
Spambouncer actually gives you four choices when it detects a "spam":
1) do nothing (deliver to your normal inbox), but adding some special
mail headers so that if you read your email via POP, your mail reader
can sort those emails using those special headers.
2) send it to /dev/null (like you did :)
3) deliver it to a separate inbox file.
4) above 2) plus, sending an auth email to the sender (like what Robert did).

it uses several spam detection tech: pattern matching, dns blacklist, etc.

Frank

something similar like the product that the subject of this thread refers
to :-) And the more you filter, the more resilient they get.

since you talked about .procmailrc,
I've been using SpamBouncer (http://www.spambouncer.org/) and really
like it. It is a set of procmail recipes that fight spam. Better
than writing my own rules :)

Frank

Rick Lake

Re: 100% spam free -- is this a good thing?

Post by Rick Lake » Wed Jun 04, 2003 9:12 pm

I downloaded it this afternoon at work. It's indeed an extensive
collection of procmail recipes. Tomorrow when I'm back in the office I'll
setup a test mail account to try them out.

According to the description it can also fake a MAILER-DAEMON bounce back
to the sender. But IMHO this is only possible at MTA (sendmail) level
before it gets delivered, and not at procmail level. Anyway, I don't think
most spammers probably would go such lengths to inspect these fake rejects
thoroughly.

regards,
rick

fliu@mail.vipstage.com wrote:
fliu@mail.vipstage.com wrote:
Rick Lake <rwlake@spamfree.domain.invalid> wrote:
Every day I keep adding more patterns to my .procmailrc to redirect trash
mail to /dev/null. (Haven't gotten around to installing "spam-assassin" or

Spambouncer actually gives you four choices when it detects a "spam":
1) do nothing (deliver to your normal inbox), but adding some special
mail headers so that if you read your email via POP, your mail reader
can sort those emails using those special headers.
2) send it to /dev/null (like you did :)
3) deliver it to a separate inbox file.
4) above 2) plus, sending an auth email to the sender (like what Robert did).

it uses several spam detection tech: pattern matching, dns blacklist, etc.

Frank

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Rick Lake

Re: 100% spam free -- is this a good thing?

Post by Rick Lake » Tue Jun 10, 2003 4:54 pm

works like a charm; thanks again for the tip Frank!

regards,
rick

Rick Lake <rwlake@spamfree.domain.invalid> wrote:
I downloaded it this afternoon at work. It's indeed an extensive
collection of procmail recipes. Tomorrow when I'm back in the office I'll
setup a test mail account to try them out.

According to the description it can also fake a MAILER-DAEMON bounce back
to the sender. But IMHO this is only possible at MTA (sendmail) level
before it gets delivered, and not at procmail level. Anyway, I don't think
most spammers probably would go such lengths to inspect these fake rejects
thoroughly.

regards,
rick

fliu@mail.vipstage.com wrote:
fliu@mail.vipstage.com wrote:
Rick Lake <rwlake@spamfree.domain.invalid> wrote:
Every day I keep adding more patterns to my .procmailrc to redirect trash
mail to /dev/null. (Haven't gotten around to installing "spam-assassin" or

Spambouncer actually gives you four choices when it detects a "spam":
1) do nothing (deliver to your normal inbox), but adding some special
mail headers so that if you read your email via POP, your mail reader
can sort those emails using those special headers.
2) send it to /dev/null (like you did :)
3) deliver it to a separate inbox file.
4) above 2) plus, sending an auth email to the sender (like what Robert did).

it uses several spam detection tech: pattern matching, dns blacklist, etc.

Frank

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