I'm in Love (or Editor R-Wars)

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Bill Caroselli

I'm in Love (or Editor R-Wars)

Post by Bill Caroselli » Tue Dec 09, 2003 5:15 pm

I know that an editor is a very personal thing and everyone has their
own favorite. For all of the great features that QNX6 has, I have
never found an editor that I liked nearly as much as vedit.

I won't go into all of the reasons why vedit is so great. It just is.

Well, I finally have vedit working unsder QNX6. Kind of.

We had to get SMBD running here for another project. We needed to read
the QNX file system from Windows boxes. The instant we got that up
and running, this fantastic idea poped into my head.

I can stick an old QNX4 CPU on the network. It's running SMBfsys and
is a client to the QNX6 box. It is also running inetd and can host
telnet sessions. So now, from my QNX6 desktop I can telnet into a QNX
4 host and run vedit on files that reside on the QNX6 file system.

There's an added benefit to this approach. It also gets me Steve J's
EZFM program back. I don't care what anyone says, QNX does not have
anything as useful and efficient as EZFM for roaming around the file
system.

So, for those of you who really want vedit back, it's a fair amount of
work but it can be done.

Igor Kovalenko

Re: I'm in Love (or Editor R-Wars)

Post by Igor Kovalenko » Wed Dec 10, 2003 4:59 am

I missed what this fantastic idea had to do with SMB? If you wanted to run
vedit all you need is to export your QNX filesystem through NFS and telnet
to a QNX4 box... It is not a fair amount of work really.

Now, since you have SMBD set up, you might as well run MS Word. And Windows
Explorer too, LOL.

-- igor <who knew people trying to edit C code with MS Word>

"Bill Caroselli" <qtps@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:br500e$a3q$1@inn.qnx.com...
I know that an editor is a very personal thing and everyone has their
own favorite. For all of the great features that QNX6 has, I have
never found an editor that I liked nearly as much as vedit.

I won't go into all of the reasons why vedit is so great. It just is.

Well, I finally have vedit working unsder QNX6. Kind of.

We had to get SMBD running here for another project. We needed to read
the QNX file system from Windows boxes. The instant we got that up
and running, this fantastic idea poped into my head.

I can stick an old QNX4 CPU on the network. It's running SMBfsys and
is a client to the QNX6 box. It is also running inetd and can host
telnet sessions. So now, from my QNX6 desktop I can telnet into a QNX
4 host and run vedit on files that reside on the QNX6 file system.

There's an added benefit to this approach. It also gets me Steve J's
EZFM program back. I don't care what anyone says, QNX does not have
anything as useful and efficient as EZFM for roaming around the file
system.

So, for those of you who really want vedit back, it's a fair amount of
work but it can be done.

Rennie Allen

Re: I'm in Love (or Editor R-Wars)

Post by Rennie Allen » Thu Dec 11, 2003 6:57 pm

Igor Kovalenko wrote:
I missed what this fantastic idea had to do with SMB? If you wanted to run
vedit all you need is to export your QNX filesystem through NFS and telnet
to a QNX4 box... It is not a fair amount of work really.
Bill did say (to paraphrase) "since Samba had to be set up for another reason...".

My problem is this: Why would anyone expend *any* effort in order to use vedit ?

Rennie "vedit once deleted my source code" Allen

Mario Charest

Re: I'm in Love (or Editor R-Wars)

Post by Mario Charest » Thu Dec 11, 2003 9:06 pm

"Rennie Allen" <rallen@csical.com> wrote in message
news:brad0n$7cn$1@inn.qnx.com...
Igor Kovalenko wrote:
I missed what this fantastic idea had to do with SMB? If you wanted to
run
vedit all you need is to export your QNX filesystem through NFS and
telnet
to a QNX4 box... It is not a fair amount of work really.

Bill did say (to paraphrase) "since Samba had to be set up for another
reason...".

My problem is this: Why would anyone expend *any* effort in order to use
vedit ?
Old habits are hard to break.
Rennie "vedit once deleted my source code" Allen

ed1k

Re: I'm in Love (or Editor R-Wars)

Post by ed1k » Sat Dec 13, 2003 12:29 am

In article <brad0n$7cn$1@inn.qnx.com>, rallen@csical.com says...
Rennie "vedit once deleted my source code" Allen
Only once? Must be it's really good editor :)

Mike Gorchak

Re: I'm in Love (or Editor R-Wars)

Post by Mike Gorchak » Sat Dec 20, 2003 9:14 am

Hello, Bill!

BC> I won't go into all of the reasons why vedit is so great. It just is.

No success :(

==========================================================================
* Forwarded by Mike Gorchak <mike@malva.ua>
* From: "Ted Green" <ted@vedit.com>
* Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 11:42:34 -0500
* To: "Mike Gorchak" <mike@malva.ua>
* Subj: Re: VEdit/QNX
==========================================================================

At 09:41 AM 12/19/2003, you wrote:
I've question about destiny of VEdit for the QNX4 RTOS, which comes with
QNX4 distribution. What happened with all versions of vedit for the unix
like enviroments ? Many ppl have used vedit under QNX4 OS during eight
years and when QNX v6.x is out in 2000 they really miss it :) And still
miss it even now :) Maybe it is possible to make old vedit code opensource
and let to port it to the modern QNX6 OS ?
Mike:

Sorry, but we no longer support QNX and have no plans to do so.
Since 95% of the source is used in our current Windows version,
we are not willing to make it open source.

Sincerely,

Ted.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ted Green (ted@vedit.com) Greenview Data, Inc.
Web: www.vedit.com PO Box 1586, Ann Arbor, MI 48106
Tel: (734) 996-1300 Fax: (734) 996-1308 VEDIT - Text/Data/Binary Editor
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Spam problems? www.SpamStopsHere.com blocks 99% of spam for businesses.

==========================================================================
With best regards, Mike Gorchak. E-mail: mike@malva.ua

With best regards, Mike Gorchak. E-mail: mike@malva.com.ua

Bill Caroselli

Re: I'm in Love (or Editor R-Wars)

Post by Bill Caroselli » Mon Dec 22, 2003 2:34 pm

Mike Gorchak <mike@malva.com.ua> wrote:
MG > Hello, Bill!

BC>> I won't go into all of the reasons why vedit is so great. It just is.

MG > No success :(

MG > ==========================================================================
MG > * Forwarded by Mike Gorchak <mike@malva.ua>
MG > * From: "Ted Green" <ted@vedit.com>
MG > * Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 11:42:34 -0500
MG > * To: "Mike Gorchak" <mike@malva.ua>
MG > * Subj: Re: VEdit/QNX
MG > ==========================================================================

MG > At 09:41 AM 12/19/2003, you wrote:
I've question about destiny of VEdit for the QNX4 RTOS, which comes with
QNX4 distribution. What happened with all versions of vedit for the unix
like enviroments ? Many ppl have used vedit under QNX4 OS during eight
years and when QNX v6.x is out in 2000 they really miss it :) And still
miss it even now :) Maybe it is possible to make old vedit code opensource
and let to port it to the modern QNX6 OS ?
MG > Mike:

MG > Sorry, but we no longer support QNX and have no plans to do so.
MG > Since 95% of the source is used in our current Windows version,
MG > we are not willing to make it open source.

MG > Sincerely,

MG > Ted.
MG > -------------------------------------------------------------------------
MG > Ted Green (ted@vedit.com) Greenview Data, Inc.
MG > Web: www.vedit.com PO Box 1586, Ann Arbor, MI 48106
MG > Tel: (734) 996-1300 Fax: (734) 996-1308 VEDIT - Text/Data/Binary Editor
MG > -------------------------------------------------------------------------
MG > Spam problems? www.SpamStopsHere.com blocks 99% of spam for businesses.

Personally, I'd be willing to sign an NDA and enter into a business
arrangement with Ted Green. I would be willing to port vedit to QNX6
and give a piece of the action to Ted Green. But I know he feels
strongly about NOT supporting QNX anymore.

--
Bill Caroselli -- Q-TPS Consulting
1-(708) 308-4956 <== Note: New Number
qtps@earthlink.net

Mario Charest

Re: I'm in Love (or Editor R-Wars)

Post by Mario Charest » Mon Dec 22, 2003 11:11 pm

"Bill Caroselli" <qtps@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:bs6veh$6k4$1@inn.qnx.com...
Mike Gorchak <mike@malva.com.ua> wrote:
MG > Hello, Bill!

BC>> I won't go into all of the reasons why vedit is so great. It just
is.

MG > No success :(

MG
==========================================================================
MG > * Forwarded by Mike Gorchak <mike@malva.ua
MG > * From: "Ted Green" <ted@vedit.com
MG > * Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 11:42:34 -0500
MG > * To: "Mike Gorchak" <mike@malva.ua
MG > * Subj: Re: VEdit/QNX
MG
==========================================================================

MG > At 09:41 AM 12/19/2003, you wrote:
I've question about destiny of VEdit for the QNX4 RTOS, which comes
with
QNX4 distribution. What happened with all versions of vedit for the
unix
like enviroments ? Many ppl have used vedit under QNX4 OS during eight
years and when QNX v6.x is out in 2000 they really miss it :) And still
miss it even now :) Maybe it is possible to make old vedit code
opensource
and let to port it to the modern QNX6 OS ?

MG > Mike:

MG > Sorry, but we no longer support QNX and have no plans to do so.
MG > Since 95% of the source is used in our current Windows version,
MG > we are not willing to make it open source.

MG > Sincerely,

MG > Ted.
MG
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
MG > Ted Green (ted@vedit.com) Greenview Data, Inc.
MG > Web: www.vedit.com PO Box 1586, Ann Arbor, MI
48106
MG > Tel: (734) 996-1300 Fax: (734) 996-1308 VEDIT - Text/Data/Binary
Editor
MG
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
MG > Spam problems? www.SpamStopsHere.com blocks 99% of spam for
businesses.

Personally, I'd be willing to sign an NDA and enter into a business
arrangement with Ted Green. I would be willing to port vedit to QNX6
and give a piece of the action to Ted Green. But I know he feels
strongly about NOT supporting QNX anymore.
That seems to be a thread amongs QNX 3rd party suppliers ;-)
--
Bill Caroselli -- Q-TPS Consulting
1-(708) 308-4956 <== Note: New Number
qtps@earthlink.net

Igor Kovalenko

Re: I'm in Love (or Editor R-Wars)

Post by Igor Kovalenko » Tue Dec 23, 2003 9:17 am

Personally, I'd be willing to sign an NDA and enter into a business
arrangement with Ted Green. I would be willing to port vedit to QNX6
and give a piece of the action to Ted Green. But I know he feels
strongly about NOT supporting QNX anymore.

That seems to be a thread amongs QNX 3rd party suppliers ;-)
It is not just 3rd party suppliers. Most organisations who try to engage in
some kind of 'partnership' with QNX develop a distinct allergy to that name
within few months. There can be any number of theories to explain this... my
theory is that QNX sales/marketing/support approach appears to be geared
toward 'one shot' deals.

They get you to sign a paper that states what they are supposed to do and
they do it... But if you were uncareful to imply even most obvious and
logical things, you're SOL. That won't be delivered and will be charged
extra if you ask. Anything that will be delivered, will be tied up to a
particular revision numbers of hardware/software. There'll be no upgrade
path. Even minor and totally irrelevant changes will invalidate support.

This 'one night stand' philosophy creates such a resentment that people get
an urge to move away soon as they have an opportunity. Not because this OS
is bad, but because they don't want to deal with such a 'partner'.

Perhaps the story is different if you're a 'tier 1 partner'. I'd guess Ted
was not one of them.

-- igor

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