Group for SWT photon related questions

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Rennie Allen

Group for SWT photon related questions

Post by Rennie Allen » Sat Sep 20, 2003 9:20 am

I think it would be a good idea to have a qdn.public.qnxrtp.photon.swt group, to
ask photon related SWT questions. Anyone else agree ?

Rennie

Frank Liu

Re: Group for SWT photon related questions

Post by Frank Liu » Sat Sep 20, 2003 5:17 pm

Rennie Allen <rgallen@attbi.com> wrote:
I think it would be a good idea to have a qdn.public.qnxrtp.photon.swt group, to
ask photon related SWT questions. Anyone else agree ?

Rennie
As I mentioned in another post few weeks ago, QSS is going to dump
this NNTP based service and replace it with a web based forum.
They probably will consider your suggestion for the new forum, but
I doubt they will spend more time enhancing the inn.qnx.com

Frank

Igor Kovalenko

Re: Group for SWT photon related questions

Post by Igor Kovalenko » Sat Sep 20, 2003 7:39 pm

"Frank Liu" <fliu@mail.vipstage.com> wrote in message
news:bki23v$jmg$1@inn.qnx.com...
Rennie Allen <rgallen@attbi.com> wrote:
I think it would be a good idea to have a qdn.public.qnxrtp.photon.swt
group, to
ask photon related SWT questions. Anyone else agree ?

Rennie


As I mentioned in another post few weeks ago, QSS is going to dump
this NNTP based service and replace it with a web based forum.
It took them about 7 years (after we first heard about the intention) to
actually move from QUICS to NNTP.
They probably will consider your suggestion for the new forum, but
I doubt they will spend more time enhancing the inn.qnx.com
Adding another group is not much of an enhancement and does not take much
longer than 5 minutes.

-- igor

Chris McKillop

Re: Group for SWT photon related questions

Post by Chris McKillop » Sat Sep 20, 2003 9:28 pm

Rennie Allen <rgallen@attbi.com> wrote:
I think it would be a good idea to have a qdn.public.qnxrtp.photon.swt group, to
ask photon related SWT questions. Anyone else agree ?
Just ask on any of the Photon groups (I watch them all). Just put SWT in the
topic. If you actually have a bug you can post it on dev.eclipse.org/bugs/.
Feel free to email me if you want as well.

chris

--
Chris McKillop <cdm@qnx.com> "The faster I go, the behinder I get."
Software Engineer, QSSL -- Lewis Carroll --
http://qnx.wox.org/

John A. Murphy

Re: Group for SWT photon related questions

Post by John A. Murphy » Sun Sep 21, 2003 12:35 am

If anybody cares, I'd certainly vote against moving from NNTP to a web
based forum!!! I've never seen ANY web based forum that was anywhere
near as user friend as a news reader, and I've seen a quite a number of
them. My experience is that I finally give up and decide that my time
is too valuable to waste messing with yet another failed attempt to
improve on NNTP.

Murf

Frank Liu wrote:
Rennie Allen <rgallen@attbi.com> wrote:
I think it would be a good idea to have a qdn.public.qnxrtp.photon.swt group, to
ask photon related SWT questions. Anyone else agree ?

Rennie


As I mentioned in another post few weeks ago, QSS is going to dump
this NNTP based service and replace it with a web based forum.
They probably will consider your suggestion for the new forum, but
I doubt they will spend more time enhancing the inn.qnx.com

Frank

ed1k

Re: Group for SWT photon related questions

Post by ed1k » Sun Sep 21, 2003 5:02 pm

In article <3F6CF265.EFB42E06@perftech.com>, murf@perftech.com says...
If anybody cares, I'd certainly vote against moving from NNTP to a web
based forum!!!
Well, it looks like beating a dead horse, but anyway, my vote is also against moving from NNTP.
Best regards,
Eduard
I've never seen ANY web based forum that was anywhere
near as user friend as a news reader, and I've seen a quite a number of
them. My experience is that I finally give up and decide that my time
is too valuable to waste messing with yet another failed attempt to
improve on NNTP.

Bill Caroselli

Re: Group for SWT photon related questions

Post by Bill Caroselli » Mon Sep 22, 2003 1:02 pm

John A. Murphy <murf@perftech.com> wrote:
JAM > If anybody cares, I'd certainly vote against moving from NNTP to a web
JAM > based forum!!! I've never seen ANY web based forum that was anywhere
JAM > near as user friend as a news reader, and I've seen a quite a number of
JAM > them. My experience is that I finally give up and decide that my time
JAM > is too valuable to waste messing with yet another failed attempt to
JAM > improve on NNTP.

JAM > Murf

I agree 100%!

Don't change it again!

People have many very useful scripts and programs for accessing these
news groups.

QSSL, you do this about every 5 year and it is a pain in the ass.
Please leave the newsgroups alone!


How can I be any more blunt!

Everyone else that agrees should add their voice *NOW!*

--
Bill Caroselli -- Q-TPS Consulting
1-(708) 308-4956 <== Note: New Number
qtps@earthlink.net

Frank Liu

Re: Group for SWT photon related questions

Post by Frank Liu » Mon Sep 22, 2003 4:09 pm

John A. Murphy <murf@perftech.com> wrote:
If anybody cares, I'd certainly vote against moving from NNTP to a web
based forum!!! I've never seen ANY web based forum that was anywhere
near as user friend as a news reader, and I've seen a quite a number of
them. My experience is that I finally give up and decide that my time
is too valuable to waste messing with yet another failed attempt to
improve on NNTP.
Believe me, several of us already tried when we first heard the "rumor",
and were told we were beating the dead horse.
Maybe if enough people complain here, they will reverse the decision :)

Frank

Rennie Allen

Re: Group for SWT photon related questions

Post by Rennie Allen » Mon Sep 22, 2003 8:22 pm

John A. Murphy wrote:
If anybody cares, I'd certainly vote against moving from NNTP to a web
based forum!!! I've never seen ANY web based forum that was anywhere
near as user friend as a news reader, and I've seen a quite a number of
them. My experience is that I finally give up and decide that my time
is too valuable to waste messing with yet another failed attempt to
improve on NNTP.
My $0.02: I certainly find nothing wrong with NNTP based forums, but I don't feel strongly enough about it to get very excited.
Maybe the web stuff will be better; ultimately, I think NNTP was better than QUICS, so I'll give it the benefit of the doubt.

Guest

To NNTP or not to NNTP (Re: Group for SWT)

Post by Guest » Mon Sep 22, 2003 9:16 pm

If anybody cares, I'd certainly vote against moving from NNTP to a web
based forum!!! I've never seen ANY web based forum that was anywhere
near as user friend as a news reader, and I've seen a quite a number of
I do also vote against web-based forum.

The Good Thing(tm) about NNTP is that you can choose
any user-side interface (readers) you like;
with web-based forums, you're confined to a web browser, and
UI and usecase is determined by the forum system.

Some web-forums do have the view/post protocol standarized
to have non-web-browser readers to emerge, but that's an exception.

--
kabe

J Plantinga

Re: Group for SWT photon related questions

Post by J Plantinga » Tue Sep 23, 2003 3:56 am

The rumors to move to web based forums are not completely unfounded, but the
decision is not final as far I am concerned. We may do both.

Your feedback is appreciated.

Thanks,
Jim Plantinga
QNX Manager of IS



"Frank Liu" <fliu@mail.vipstage.com> wrote in message
news:bki23v$jmg$1@inn.qnx.com...
Rennie Allen <rgallen@attbi.com> wrote:
I think it would be a good idea to have a qdn.public.qnxrtp.photon.swt
group, to
ask photon related SWT questions. Anyone else agree ?

Rennie


As I mentioned in another post few weeks ago, QSS is going to dump
this NNTP based service and replace it with a web based forum.
They probably will consider your suggestion for the new forum, but
I doubt they will spend more time enhancing the inn.qnx.com

Frank

Mario Charest

Re: Group for SWT photon related questions

Post by Mario Charest » Tue Sep 23, 2003 11:43 am

"J Plantinga" <jplantinga@qnx.com> wrote in message
news:bkofc6$73u$1@inn.qnx.com...
The rumors to move to web based forums are not completely unfounded, but
the
decision is not final as far I am concerned. We may do both.

Your feedback is appreciated.

Thanks,
Jim Plantinga
QNX Manager of IS
I like Newsgroup format because it allows me to easely keep a local copy I
can do search on. It requires less bandwidth which is appreciated when I
sometimes go in the field and the only internet access is via cell phone for
example.

My only hope is that the IS departement doesn't switch just to make THEIR
life easier but to answer request of higher % of QNX customer that prefer
web interface over nntp. If it's from a customer response then all gladly
adapt to whatever you switch to.

- Mario

Bill Caroselli

Re: Group for SWT photon related questions

Post by Bill Caroselli » Tue Sep 23, 2003 1:47 pm

Mario Charest <postmaster@127.0.0.1> wrote:


MC > I like Newsgroup format because it allows me to easely keep a local copy I
MC > can do search on. It requires less bandwidth which is appreciated when I
MC > sometimes go in the field and the only internet access is via cell phone for
MC > example.

Yes, there are many of us that keep a local data base. Many times a
day I look something up in my local data base when I don't even know
which newsgroup it might be in.

Do you really want many requests a day searching through *every*
message you have just to find something obscure. That should kill your
CPU horsepower pretty effectivly.

Frank Liu

Re: Group for SWT photon related questions

Post by Frank Liu » Tue Sep 23, 2003 4:07 pm

J Plantinga <jplantinga@qnx.com> wrote:
The rumors to move to web based forums are not completely unfounded, but the
decision is not final as far I am concerned. We may do both.
Glad to "see" you here Jim!

I highly recommend jive (www.jivesoft.com). Lots of big guys use
it (http://www.jivesoft.com/customers.jsp). I found it while on
Sun and VMware's web forums. It is the only forum software that
officially supports gatewaying with NNTP. It's easily skinnable to
fit to the rest of your website. The plugin auth makes it easy
to fit into your existing authentication mechanism.
It has a 30-day eval license that you can try out.
I tried it for a while but couldn't afford the license for a
hobby site. This shouldn't be a problem for you since the license
is much cheaper than one copy of QNX commercial product :)
Let me know if you need any help.
BTW, just like qdn, their support forum is monitored and answered
by the developers directly.

Frank

Jim Plantinga

Re: Group for SWT photon related questions

Post by Jim Plantinga » Tue Sep 23, 2003 9:52 pm

We don't consider the newsgroups a high maintenance item. At least the
public ones. The concern is more that if we offer Web based ones and NNTP
based ones, we add more places for our techies to look for postings to
respond to and we get into situations were some people will need to cross
post to the web based forums alongside the NNTP ones to make sure their
question/concern is heard.

The decision is not entirely mine, but I am a stakeholder since my team
needs to maintain the systems. I personally favour a NNTP/Web hybrid. We
have many client companies that block NNTP at their firewall and we have a
strong following on NNTP based newsgroups so a hybrid solution keeps both
happy.

The trade off is that we loose some of the features of a exclusively web
based forum system.

Thanks again for your feedback.
Jim


"Mario Charest" <postmaster@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
news:bkpapj$q8k$1@inn.qnx.com...
"J Plantinga" <jplantinga@qnx.com> wrote in message
news:bkofc6$73u$1@inn.qnx.com...
The rumors to move to web based forums are not completely unfounded, but
the
decision is not final as far I am concerned. We may do both.

Your feedback is appreciated.

Thanks,
Jim Plantinga
QNX Manager of IS


I like Newsgroup format because it allows me to easely keep a local copy I
can do search on. It requires less bandwidth which is appreciated when I
sometimes go in the field and the only internet access is via cell phone
for
example.

My only hope is that the IS departement doesn't switch just to make THEIR
life easier but to answer request of higher % of QNX customer that prefer
web interface over nntp. If it's from a customer response then all gladly
adapt to whatever you switch to.

- Mario

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